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-- osr-support -- 3/6/2021 1:42 AM
Popular and upsized arbor injector is now ready for download, mostly laser cut but you still need the full metal work capabilities as lathe, mill and CNC. https://plastic-hub.com/products/elena-xmax.html (howtos: https://library.precious-plastic.org/howto/#arbor-injection). That's an outstanding follow-up work of it's smaller successor and runs now at 50cm x 30 mm barrel. Easy to use, precise - simply spot on. We're adding interfaces for fume extraction as next. If you need a hand with support, no Biggy! Btw. thanks to the fool prove precision there is now also the idea of running it via gearbox motor. If you're good at it, you can do this on the go as well : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yOqrhqlp7Q&ab_channel=PlasticHub Input is welcome ๐Ÿ™‚ (edited)
Precious Plastic - Machine : Arbor - Injection - โ€˜elena-xmaxโ€™ - XMAX by PlasticHub
The unofficial library for Precious Plastic
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-- osr-support -- 3/6/2021 2:39 AM
Here the small version of Stan- from good old forum times : https://davehakkens.nl/community/forums/topic/portable-desktop-injection-machine/. Unfortunately we lost the user with the switch to micro short term chat stuff as Discord ๐Ÿ™‚ Anyways, amazing stuff he pulled out of this one ๐Ÿ™‚
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Does anyone have an idea of what plastic works best with the Injection process? I've been having better luck with HDPE and LDPE and have a chance to grab a ton of shredded PP. Wondering if anyone had any troubles or successes with different types
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-- osr-support -- 4/24/2021 8:16 PM
PE, TPU and TPE works nice too. In the picture, the user is sealing a GPS tracker belt for hunting dogs using TPU, but needs actually active cooling since it's coming out really fluid as honey - it takes about 20 mins to properly solidify with room temperature.
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-- osr-support -- 4/24/2021 8:30 PM
Whilst at it, last tests with TPU showed you can fill up really big volumes using the v3 extruder ๐Ÿ™‚ don't do this at home ๐Ÿ™ƒ
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-- osr-support -- 5/29/2021 8:42 PM
nice, somebody doing an arbor injector : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyrrTIkKfkk - it's less complicated btw. ๐Ÿ™‚
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Southpaw123 9/2/2021 1:40 AM
Hi all! Iโ€™m having an issue with thinking how to vent a two part aluminum mold. Anyone know much about how to vent a two part mold? Iโ€™m making a disc golf mini and want to ensure I properly vent the mold where it will work properly
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Southpaw123
Hi all! Iโ€™m having an issue with thinking how to vent a two part aluminum mold. Anyone know much about how to vent a two part mold? Iโ€™m making a disc golf mini and want to ensure I properly vent the mold where it will work properly
CitSciWorkshop 9/2/2021 4:20 AM
Maybe want to look at holes that vent from the inside of the rim, so the outer edges fill.
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There is some neat group making disk golf disks, idk if they released their mold design, let me check
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Eric Lotze 9/2/2021 1:00 PM
I canโ€™t seem to find anything on mold design (i did just skim the website/scroll through videos + read their descriptions, so i may have missed something!)
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Southpaw123 9/2/2021 2:53 PM
Are you talking about Trash Panda Disc Golf? Iโ€™m modeling what Iโ€™m doing after him.
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CitSciWorkshop
Maybe want to look at holes that vent from the inside of the rim, so the outer edges fill.
Southpaw123 9/2/2021 2:54 PM
So maybe a small hole going to the top of the mold?
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Email for business inquiries Robinsonfoundry@gmail.com
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The above foundry link is a very good set of lessons. Using 3d printing and some of his ideas for "investment methods" will be effective and inexpensive.
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JohnDalyProgrammer 10/9/2021 5:01 PM
Has anyone tried making a frame out of wood with a metal nozzle for injection? Planning on using high temp silicone as the mold and wondering if the aluminum frame is needed
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JohnDalyProgrammer
Has anyone tried making a frame out of wood with a metal nozzle for injection? Planning on using high temp silicone as the mold and wondering if the aluminum frame is needed
Silicone didn't work for me. Way too flexible and the parts were always horribly deformed even with a ridgid frame fully enclosing it. The molten plastic was just too thick and under too much pressure for a mold material that soft and flexible.
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@JohnDalyProgrammer You would be better off building a extrusion mold out of steel that fits the pattern you want the frame to be. Then cutting and jointing them beam into the frame size. It will also allow you to build different sizes.
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what guage wire should I be using to connect the temperature controller to the ssr? I have wires from an arduino kit or I could use 15 or 20A 10/2 12/2 wire used for houses. The preciouse plastic website and schematics dont specify from what I read
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Green Ellipsis 11/5/2021 6:34 PM
I'm guessing that's going to be less than 32 V and less than 1 amp. If so, the wires from your Arduino kit will work as long as they are durable enough for the job. Nothing wrong with using the 12/2 house wiring as long as it can be securely connected to the terminals at both ends. If you have a scap electric appliance cord laying around, that's what I'd use. It's probably between 18 and 14 gauge stranded wire and will be easier to work with.
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thanks green
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Green Ellipsis 11/5/2021 7:12 PM
If you can provide the specs or part numbers for the controller and ssr I can verify
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ssr 40 da and Good-y REX-C100
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I think there's an error on this wiring schematic where the temperature control slot 4 and 5 should be reversed
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Birdman3131 11/5/2021 7:25 PM
Solid State Relay Output Signal: 15±3V / 30mA from https://www.amazon.com/Temperature-Controller-REX-C100FK02-V%C3%97-Accuracy-Refrigeration/dp/B07P86W2BG means anywire is good. Even ethernet wire would work.
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Andrew
I think there's an error on this wiring schematic where the temperature control slot 4 and 5 should be reversed
Birdman3131 11/5/2021 7:25 PM
Why do you say that?
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4 is blue and goes to - , 5 is red and goes to +. Looks good to me
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on my temperature controller the number 5 slot is positive and number 4 is negative
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the red wires in the schematic are negative
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Birdman3131 11/5/2021 7:28 PM
What psycho drew that?
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I got it off the precious plastic website
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Birdman3131 11/5/2021 7:29 PM
Sorry. Not upset at you but that is asking for trouble. Time to go yell in the main discord as that is unacceptable.
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I think the arduino kit wire im using is 18 guage
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Birdman3131 11/5/2021 7:32 PM
Yhats fine.
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30ma is nothing.
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While I'm show and telling this is the injection pipe
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SCH 80 black pipe
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HoboMachinist 11/5/2021 7:40 PM
Hows the screw fit in the black pipe? Any slop?
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none, I had it machine to within .005. Its a solid bar though not a screw
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HoboMachinist 11/5/2021 7:42 PM
@andirose. 14ga or 12ga should be fine for wire. 14ga is for 15amps 12ga is for 20amps
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@Andrew. That was for andrew
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HoboMachinist
@andirose. 14ga or 12ga should be fine for wire. 14ga is for 15amps 12ga is for 20amps
Birdman3131 11/5/2021 8:21 PM
From Temp controller to SSR is 30mA. From SSR to heaters needs significantly higher.
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Gah. That was not supposed to get sent.
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It depends on your voltage but the 190W heaters are 1A on 220 or 2A on 110V.
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So not high current but more than 22gauge or the like.
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I'm using 14 guage copper wire for the heating elements and power switch connections. (15A 14/2 wire). Only using the 18 guage wire to connect to temp controller to the ssr. I live in the U.S.A. so its 110v from outlet.
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CitSciWorkshop 11/5/2021 9:18 PM
We use 14g for SSR connections, and 18g paired black and red for the DC connection from PID to SSR input. That's been working pretty well.
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HoboMachinist 11/5/2021 9:25 PM
Yeah the signal wires can be just little things they are in the mA range yes. I agree.
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Also easier to work with and shove in small places.
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CitSciWorkshop 11/5/2021 9:34 PM
And could be smaller than 18g but we like to crimp them and 18 fits a spade when tinned.
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Birdman3131 11/5/2021 9:46 PM
I use a lot of cat6 ethernet wires for Arduino projects as it works great in those headers.
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Green Ellipsis 11/7/2021 2:09 AM
@Andrew you're good. Those components are well matched and you should never see more than 20 mA on the relay input wires. You could get away with using the pictured red jumper wires, but I wouldn't do it. They are intended only for temporary connections. The wire ends tend to break when stressed.
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@Green Ellipsis Thanks, I will swap them out after I finish testing for functionality just to be safe then for something more robust. (edited)
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InspiredMechanic 2/28/2022 5:21 AM
Does anyone have experience modifying the traditional injection moulder barrel with a nozzle like the plasticpreneur one pictured here? I can turn the nozzle on a lathe so I am mainly interested in the diameter of the opening and what mods I should make to the moulds I already have (with welded threaded fittings). I am getting an adjustable "table" to place moulds on so I have have a quick change set up. Thanks!
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Beginner's Tech 3/22/2022 10:14 PM
do you think a mold could be made for this
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A mold could be made. Check for patents or copyright on the part and to modify your design so as to not get in trouble.
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do you think a mold could be made for this
Yes, I would guess that the part sits inside the mold in the same direction as the picture. The reason the hooks are that specific shape is to allow the mold to separate rather than get caught, but there are a few alternative designs if you are worried about patent issues per what @Paulum pointed out.
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Does anyone have any mould / mold files they would be willing to share? I was looking for carabiner and a bottle cap opener or anything really. I am having a heck of a time modifying / createing my own. I have downloaded some from PP but guess I dont know what I am doing. LOL. The rar files for the carabiner look like laser cutter files so they aare not correct for 3dprinting....๐Ÿ˜†
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Ok, I thought someone here said they are using black pipe for the main pipe on the injector. I picked up a black pipe from Lowes hardware store and it has the seam down the middle. UUUGGGHHH - can someone let me know in the US what type of pipe you used? Thanks in advance.
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Caustic
Ok, I thought someone here said they are using black pipe for the main pipe on the injector. I picked up a black pipe from Lowes hardware store and it has the seam down the middle. UUUGGGHHH - can someone let me know in the US what type of pipe you used? Thanks in advance.
CitSciWorkshop 4/15/2023 3:25 AM
We use 4140 DOM steel tube. DOM = drawn over mandrel, and that is the seamless kind.
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Hi all, what type of wire is required for the injection machine to hook up PID's SSR, power switch, etc. How thick? 10 GA? Thanks. (edited)
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Hey y'all, I am trying to make a pro and con list for an injection set up, or a compression oven set up. Are there better items suited to either of those machines? I would like to know if you can use injection molds in an oven by partially filling them up cold, heating in oven, then compressing a plunger atop the mold.
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I want to make larger items with molds, but the injection is limited to 150cm^3
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Drew W
I want to make larger items with molds, but the injection is limited to 150cm^3
Christopher - Unmake Plastic 9/1/2023 3:19 AM
Keep in mind that compression molding need not be a one-step process: instead of shred, the mold may be filled with a custom dimensioned billet, or sheet.
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Thatโ€™s true. I was also considering the different compression set ups, with one being compressed inside the oven and the other being an over under two part oven and press. Iโ€™m wondering if I get the second option if I could take a pre-warmed injection style mold as well as a piston and nozzle full of shred, then once itโ€™s warmed take both out, put them on the press with the Already partially mold being beneath the piston and then using the jack to move the plastic from the piston into the already partially filled mold so that I can get more volume than the current injection machine
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Jack Apotsos 10/3/2023 10:26 PM
Has anyone had success with flower pots or know of someone that has, I'm looking into making an Injection molding business around them but am looking for data first.
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Liri (They/He) 10/3/2023 10:26 PM
brothers make has made some
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Flowerpots are inherently hard to make a large income from
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Liri (They/He) 10/3/2023 10:26 PM
also I thinka group called Ocean Pots?
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*Ocean Plastic Pots in Scotland
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And ecotribo
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You can make more money selling items that use less plastic but have a higher value
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Like Jewelry, sunglasses and wireless phone chargers
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Jack Apotsos 10/3/2023 10:28 PM
Do you think they would have the same effect on a local scale?
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Alex_recycle_and_creates 10/3/2023 10:29 PM
The thing with injection molding that worries me is that you spend a lot of money for a mold and if the product from the mold doesnโ€™t sell well itโ€™s not good
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Jack Apotsos
Has anyone had success with flower pots or know of someone that has, I'm looking into making an Injection molding business around them but am looking for data first.
I want to do the same, what state are you in?
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Jack Apotsos 10/3/2023 10:30 PM
Im from Florida
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I'd happily set up a call with you lot to discuss options, success stories and help develop a business plan?
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This is what I do for a living.
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Jack Apotsos 10/3/2023 10:31 PM
Have you gotten past your business plan yet ?
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This is one of the companies we helped set up
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(consulted not run)
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Jack Apotsos 10/3/2023 10:32 PM
How much dose it cost?
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I am available for a call, does anyone know how to set up a Zoom? I also found local business incubators that can help with getting things started
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Jack Apotsos
How much dose it cost?
What cost?
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Jack Apotsos 10/3/2023 10:33 PM
Your service is free?
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The advice is free
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Jack Apotsos 10/3/2023 10:34 PM
Im not use to that, I would greatly appreciate it!
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We make money from selling moulds, machines and long term training
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But everyone needs to start somewhere right?
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So that portion is free
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Jack Apotsos 10/3/2023 10:34 PM
What types of moulds do you sell?
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Drew I would do a call
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We do mostly custom moulds for our clients however we offer stock moulds
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Work mainly in the UK and USA, but have worked globally
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Unique, unbreakable sunglasses with lifetime warranty. Handcrafted from plastic trash collected at the worldโ€™s biggest mangrove cleanup
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For example these guys in Bali.
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But if you want we can maybe arrange a call tomorrow with the both of you?
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Or I can do 1 on 1
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Jack Apotsos 10/3/2023 10:38 PM
I think a group call would work well. I could do a call tomorrow around this time.
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Perfect. If you can DM me your emails I can send a Google Meet link
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Jack Apotsos 10/3/2023 10:38 PM
sounds good
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If anyone sees this and wants in, just DM me and I'll add them ๐Ÿ™‚
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Sounds good!
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Does anyone have experience making a pneumatic injector using a log splitter?
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Drew W
Does anyone have experience making a pneumatic injector using a log splitter?
Christopher - Unmake Plastic 10/10/2023 3:30 PM
You've viewed the (limited) content from PP Melbourne?
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Christopher - Unmake Plastic
You've viewed the (limited) content from PP Melbourne?
yes! I want to do something similar, but I don't quite trust myself to do any sort of electrical work ๐Ÿ˜…
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Joblin#9607 10/20/2023 6:24 PM
Some of my shots appear to be hollow. Has anyone experienced this, or is it just something that happens at the injection point? Mold is steel and plastic is PP.
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Joblin#9607
Some of my shots appear to be hollow. Has anyone experienced this, or is it just something that happens at the injection point? Mold is steel and plastic is PP.
What machine are you using?
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Rory
What machine are you using?
Joblin#9607 11/7/2023 9:36 PM
Homebrew.
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Before you release the mold are you lifting the leaver? (And sucking the material back up?)
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Jack Apotsos 11/16/2023 3:39 AM
Does shredding the plastic prevent air bubbles or is it the pressure?
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Rory
Before you release the mold are you lifting the leaver? (And sucking the material back up?)
Joblin#9607 11/29/2023 2:00 AM
I sure am - so you're saying I should release the mold while under some amount of pressure?
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