Open Source Ecology - general-planning

:^)

11:35 PM

I'm making a basic little planning document for things to throw together in a Django webserver....I'll figure out a way to share once I get a sec

11:36 PM

I also have some basic webapps that I was making for the store I worked at....gimme a few days to remove any identifiable info & I'll throw up the basics on a github file or smth

Also maybe call the category "space" development? Site to me always sounds like website

1:24 AM

(or not ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ )

definetly need something other than site

3:55 AM

i'll change it to space for now

3:56 AM

i will forever be in terminology/naming scheme hell

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3:56 AM

i decend deeper with each page i make lol

Turns out categories aren't as simple creatures as they seem ;p

the category is simple and works fine, i just obsess over optimizing names and other things

lol, when I first saw this new channel I got really excited about designing and building our own rockets and/or mini satellites!

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8:47 AM

But I guess maker spaces are cool too

again t e r m i n o l o g y h e l l

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https://www.reddit.com/r/Machinists/comments/6c422n/what_do_all_the_shops_out_there_do_with_chips/

r/Machinists - What do all the shops out there do with chips after ...

10 votes and 19 comments so far on Reddit

12:19 AM

When I worked in a machine shop briefly they seperated chips and scrap as much as possible, the laser cutter would occasionally drop parts into the water tray and that would be fairly mixed metal

wood chips are very useful for gardening! to create walking paths, or spread on top of garden beds around germinated seedlings. i imagine they're also useful for rocketmass heaters

https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/wiki/The_Basic_Custom_Fabrication_Workshop

The Basic Custom Fabrication Workshop

6:36 AM

found this page when looking if tube benders are documented anywhere on wiki

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyrtXY6LYdU

One Army

MN#53 - Turning Plastic into Food (and Baskets)

9:24 PM

They had some extensive tours of workshops, and some good products/production workflows

9:25 PM

(also discussed CE certification, and safety systems, i was just diving into all this myself! )

9:26 PM

(someone made a school desk! reprapable schools )

Is space development for physical spaces? I'm co-developing this proposal for a new shared-ownership cooperatively governed live/work/farm space where we can build OSE machines, sink carbon, solve housing, and in all other ways be regenerative badasses https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MYpfB558SKkR8rsS7pC5smIBkMPjEs5pctGCieoBKT0/edit?usp=sharing Comments and feedback are welcome.

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Paul Pham

Is space development for physical spaces? I'm co-developing this proposal for a new shared-ownership cooperatively governed live/work/farm space where we can build OSE machines, sink carbon, solve housing, and in all other ways be regenerative badasses https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MYpfB558SKkR8rsS7pC5smIBkMPjEs5pctGCieoBKT0/edit?usp=sharing Comments and feedback are welcome.

DAOs might not be the right term here. Imagine a Tesla that runs by itself doing Uber rounds until it generates enough money to buy another Tesla car, and so on. That mechanism fits the DAO definition better than a bunch of people kumbaya-agreeing and voting for things to selves-govern - I wouldn't call this "improved democracy" a DAO (edited)

That's an apt description of how I'm planning to fund renovating / constructing homes in Detroit. It's quite a big experiment to see if it will work, and can sustain something as important as people's desire of affordable housing and a safe place to raise a family. DAOs are still quite an early form of coordination, so I think many people are still experimenting with them. It reminds of a bunch of curious strangers who stumble upon an abandoned mansion that no one really owns or understands, but offers the promise of a better life.

I didn't find any channel for greenhouses or automatic plant watering, so here seems good :plop: 3D printed and arduino controlled watering! with data tracking

https://www.xythobuz.de/giessomat.html OpenSCAD files on Gitea! Print all the things!

GieÃŸ-o-mat - xythobuz.de

DIY fertilizer mixer and plant watering machine

" In 2019, as part of the regular brick-and-mortar meltdown that has been going on for years, Simon shed the 1-million-square-foot Independence Center in a suburb of Kansas City, Missouri via foreclosure. When the mall was sold in a foreclosure sale in April 2019, the $200-million CMBS backed by the mall generated a loss of 75% for the CMBS investors." https://wolfstreet.com/2021/07/21/creditors-foreclose-on-another-mall-of-simon-property-group-face-massive-loss/ Perhaps we can all throw in a few bucks an buy a mall... (I am only half joking.)

Creditors Foreclose on Another Mall of Simon Property Group, Face M...

As largest mall landlord in the US sheds its malls, CMBS holders, such as bond funds and pension funds, take the losses.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_H_TF5Kxks

The Thought Emporium

This Lab is RIDICULOUS

4:05 AM

They have a bio room, generic office space, a lathe/milling room etc, a 3d printing closet/room, a "hot" room for welding/torching/grinding etc (used a garage i think), and a storage space

4:06 AM

video has some antics just fyi i guess

4:06 AM

I am going to follow up with them on all this, but

4:07 AM

They mentioned that they may be going quiet for a bit on their artificial spider silk work,i don't know if this is a develop+implement, then open source thing (so others can't beat you to the market etc), or if they won't open source it, so i do want to look into all that

4:08 AM

Even without the spider silk, the spinerret+spooling system could be used for reformed cellulose (rayon), and that could also be made into carbon fiber as a microfactory level!

Holger

" In 2019, as part of the regular brick-and-mortar meltdown that has been going on for years, Simon shed the 1-million-square-foot Independence Center in a suburb of Kansas City, Missouri via foreclosure. When the mall was sold in a foreclosure sale in April 2019, the $200-million CMBS backed by the mall generated a loss of 75% for the CMBS investors." https://wolfstreet.com/2021/07/21/creditors-foreclose-on-another-mall-of-simon-property-group-face-massive-loss/ Perhaps we can all throw in a few bucks an buy a mall... (I am only half joking.)

Malls have a lot of existing infrastructure and advantages for converting to dense urban housing or indoor farming. I think one challenge is: do people really want to live in integrated live/work arcologies, and what design changes or price incentives would convince them? At least, until sea levels rise and massive human migration seeks out any viable shelter.

I need to grab the video, but another aspect is that they are designed, almost at a core level to be a mall, so there can be some difficulty in adapting them, but it depends

Eric Lotze

I need to grab the video, but another aspect is that they are designed, almost at a core level to be a mall, so there can be some difficulty in adapting them, but it depends

I consider “urban outfitter” and “hot topic” core infrastructure. Also “GameStop”

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The revolution will be silkscreened !

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Neat, but large scale, metalworks place: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgLDhnUCg1s

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Aluminum Castings - how permanent mold, die casting, and sand casti...

11:49 PM

I'll put it in my log later (and eventually come around to making pages on it), but i did some wikipedia edits/redirects, as there seems to be some terminology hell "Low Pressure Die Casting" vs "Low Pressure Permanent Mold Casting" / Colique Casting etc "Gravity Die Casting" vs "Permanent Mold Casting" etc

Eric Lotze

Neat, but large scale, metalworks place: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgLDhnUCg1s

what is reverse tilt pour? he mentions tilt pour but what is reverse?

Somehow missed this, here are some links i found real quick: https://www.foundrymag.com/melt-pour/article/21930434/reverse-tiltpouring-in-permanent-mold-casting https://laaluminum.com/our-process/foundry/#:~:text=With%20traditional%20tilt%20pour%20method,%2C%20compressor%20housings%2C%20and%20cookware. (Specifically under the "pouring" tab)

Permanent Mold Aluminum Casting Foundry | LA Aluminum

Our foundry specializes in permanent mold casting A356 alloy. We melt only the best certified aluminum alloy ingot to craft our casts.

3:14 AM

I guess it has to do with the "parting axis" of the mold

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3:19 AM

On another note

3:19 AM

I need to make a wiki page on the group / contact them or something, but:

3:21 AM

This YouTube Channel Called "WAY OUT WEST with Sandra and Tim" Some sort of Farm/Homestead type thing based in Ireland https://www.youtube.com/user/WayOutWestx2/about https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY5_KS72QmaK7aaWMil4q1Q/about

WAY OUT WEST with Sandra and Tim

We live on the West side of Ireland, and this is a blog of our life here on our little farm. Sandra and Tim

Way Out West - Workshop Stuff

A spin-off from our channel 'Way Out West with Sandra and Tim', this one is all about what goes on in Tim's workshop...

3:21 AM

I specifically found the channel due to looking into this monorail mentioned by Tom Scott

3:22 AM

https://youtu.be/Irv3KJR6B80

Tom Scott

The Tiny Monorails That Once Carried James Bond

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and i found the work on them in their channel: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3_dJayH6e6iNKGw-GOL1ydCu8pGw5-6b

Railways

3:25 AM

Which especially makes sense with all the muck they deal with!

3:26 AM

Not sure of the advantages/disadvantages, but they also have full on (although supposedly, smaller gauge?) railways going now as well: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLlyD5gnqylArkIr49Rax3A8gTs3mvoCAU

RAILWAY

3:26 AM

ANYWHO

3:26 AM

Neat logistical bit

3:26 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qucGBO9DutE

3:28 AM

They also mention steam engines in the above video so? https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/wiki/Steam_Engine

Steam Engine

3:28 AM

Altogether really neat channel that has a great sort of place for prototyping akin to FeF

3:29 AM

They already do quite a bit of prototyping!, although not too much CAD / High Tech aspects, moreso just "i had this on hand so made it work", but altogether really neat

Someone's Florida Mobile (I Think) Precious Plastic Plans: https://discord.com/channels/664714297913376769/664715361119240241/682305348723277857

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_WSFvBg8EU&t (edited)

Stephen Hawes

Outgrowing the Garage

Is this general planning for Factor-E Farm land and buildings, or plan ideas that involve our own personal projects?

I honestly don't know the answer to that myself (edited)

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https://youtu.be/-7xWPxsl5_s Really neat Orphanage / Homeless Child Place, not to OSE Related, but may be useful to someone. I'd love to look into the group more too, their approach seems really neat.

Smarter Every Day 2

A Brief History of Not Forgotten - Smarter Every Day

https://youtu.be/WuwQu6pJwGM

Maker's Muse

Can Microfactories Solve the Global Logistics Crisis?

10:32 PM

I'm SOOOOO Hyped for this series!

I don’t even know what we’re looking at lol

Eric Lotze

https://youtu.be/-7xWPxsl5_s Really neat Orphanage / Homeless Child Place, not to OSE Related, but may be useful to someone. I'd love to look into the group more too, their approach seems really neat.

learner-long-life

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In regards to the smarter every day video?

4:39 AM

They essentially made a septic system as one of the first projects, but it went unused so is now just kept there as a bit of history (and good clickbait)

Eric Lotze

In regards to the smarter every day video?

The main photo from the url unfurl is a toilet on a platform in the forest. There’s no way that can’t be a Rick and Morty troll

Wow such an awesome project. I didn’t even know people can build their own septic tanks

https://youtu.be/C98UdfCbalU

Dalibor Farný

Zen Clock end of production + update on renovation of our space

4:22 AM

Good Notes on Shop Organization / 5S Process

https://youtu.be/JfHM3SeoTGA

Dalibor Farný

Talking: machine shop update, communication, 5S system

4:31 AM

This mentioned some similar things, as well as communication in startups/businesses as they grow

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The Party’s Still Over: The VC Downturn In 6 Charts

For venture capital investors and startups alike, this year’s first quarter has been a painful hangover from 2022.

reset your capitalism "boom and bust" watches accordingly here's to hoping i guess ~~also just doing grassroots stuff without them!~~

well, these are good indicators, reflected also in the markets I have around, ... Underground economy & friends https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_D -

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9:14 PM

I can highly recommend Crunchbase newsletter btw.

There was a great Ted talk or something on the underground economy / dark economy / shadow economy/ whatever you want to call it. They mentioned how it only really supplies stuff that people want but can’t get conventionally (illegal drugs vs alcohol etc)/can’t find at a price they can deal with (re gas shortages and bottled water resellers in a crisis, lr heck even that one Toilet-paper Hoarder during covid), so that was a really neat way of looking at them / how to address it

9:17 PM

Granted i was already pro-legalization, and harm reduction, yada yada yada, but i found it really neat

9:18 PM

On another note one thing I thought would make a good page is “Lemonade Stand Capitalism” Or something

9:18 PM

BASICALLY

9:18 PM

The way most people think of capitalism is like Lemonade stand A vs B, where people are rational actors, and no shenanigans are done by the business.

9:19 PM

I’ll need to grab the link, but there was an “Urban Dictionary” entry that summed up what the current reality is like that i found great

9:20 PM

9:21 PM

Granted oversimplification and goofyness, but I thought it is a good addition to rhetoric/words to describe these complex things. (edited)

9:22 PM

Because the “lemonade stand capitalism” can somewhat work and be good (small scale “that boss is a jerk” / jobs as a thing themself, labor issues aside), but people don’t get that =/= reality at times, at least that’s my Opinion (edited)

right - yes, would be interested in alternatives, I think it might be too late escaping the elite's way, 15 min city, no cash, bio-metrics, ai-driven cars dropping you at the police station - making sure you pay your fine, ... pretty much every square meter on this planet is sold out - a matter of time you can buy a family bundle of fresh air .. Will look into, became a bit a hobby of mine recently

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It’s hard to make an alernative, at least large scale. Small Semi-Self Sufficient Anarcho-Communist Homesteads/Communes can work, but they still rely on the outside society for things like Semiconductors etc (although Open Source Hardware and Digital Fabrication is disrupting this) Things like Petrochemicals (lubricants/greases, coolants, cutting/tapping fluid, sufricants, etc) and Engineered Wood Products etc will probably always remain at some larger scale thiugh

9:30 PM

I think i made an OSE wiki page on it sometime, let me grab the link

9:31 PM

https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/wiki/Analysis_of_Scale_and_Value_Chain_Optimization_in_a_Post-Development,_Post-Decentralization,_Post-Fossil_Fuel,_Economy

Analysis of Scale and Value Chain Optimization in a Post-Developmen...

9:31 PM

https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/wiki/Prospective_Models_of_The_Organizational_Structure_of_Post-Development,_Post-Decentralization,_Post-Fossil_Fuel,_Economies

Prospective Models of The Organizational Structure of Post-Developm...

9:32 PM

I haven’t reread / edited those in forever, let me check they aren’t horrible too RIP (edited)

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right - yes, would be interested in alternatives, I think it might be too late escaping the elite's way, 15 min city, no cash, bio-metrics, ai-driven cars dropping you at the police station - making sure you pay your fine, ... pretty much every square meter on this planet is sold out - a matter of time you can buy a family bundle of fresh air .. Will look into, became a bit a hobby of mine recently

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Also on the note of this, as long as we control Democratic Backsliding in areas like here in the USA, and push for enough regulation, as well as Unionize, the current model can somewhat work

9:34 PM

It’s sort of like some ultra-janky engine that can somewhat run on it’s own, but will stop/break or even BLOW UP if left unattended by an expert. (Re: Every time deregulation of the economy, or privatization of utilities was pushed for)

9:36 PM

I’ll post it over in #readers-digest to prevent spamming this channel further, but i saw a great video essay that was tangentially related to this too

9:39 PM

https://discord.com/channels/700486873272811562/795889939606011935/1101592812119654462

9:39 PM

Theres the link to it

9:40 PM

https://youtu.be/WxkEk1n5sXM

TimWelds

Mini Fabrication Station Build | Shop Projects

9:40 PM

On a more space planning related note, this was a very nice setup someone made for a compact fab shop.

9:42 PM

Also “Way out West” made a video recently that basically took all their recent projects and showed the whole “workflow” they are a part of, and their business model all in one short video, so check that out! https://youtu.be/eW5rOpivFow

Way Out West - Workshop Stuff

How To Make Scrap Timber Into Inoculated Horticultural Charcoal - B...