Open Source Ecology - server-suggestions

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Could we add a channel about Design Methods?

Some sort of Timecode Conversion Bot?

8:43 PM

Could convert to UTC, and maybe user selected times?

Can the gamification (1 GG, 2 GG,...) be turned off? I find the extra noise annoying Or, can we design our own activity loops? So far the arbitrary "levels" in Discord seem meaningless The emoticons reactions dynamic to posted messages seems more helpful to identify insightful contributions over our many channels A level based on 10 ❤️s reached, or whatever, would make more sense (we probably want to "reward" quality of collaboration between participants, more than any one contributor blabbing on their own?) (edited)

is there a way to widen the left-menu to be able to read he full channel names? (on win discord app) (edited)

Can we have a channel for people to announce their (FreeCAD) badges? (This is part of bigger plan of mine... :))

@Holger has reached level 3. GG!

I did check with Marcin and he thinks it would be a good idea to have #badges channel (or something like that...) Thanks!

Holger

I did check with Marcin and he thinks it would be a good idea to have #badges channel (or something like that...) Thanks!

Why? Gamification is hard - low ROI... even harder on uncertain collaborations (edited)

You mean badges = gamification? (Yes, I agree)

PBLs don't generate engagement (edited)

3:35 PM

But points badges and leaderboards might accelerate engagement, if you have any

Are we talking about different things? I refer to: https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/wiki/FreeCAD_Badge

FreeCAD Badge

@Holger has reached level 4. GG!

It's still a badge, a solution to abstract something that has happened, that carries some meaning

3:40 PM

The funny thing with external rewards is they don't really help when people are self-motivated

3:41 PM

https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-self-determination-theory-2795387

How Does Self-Determination Theory Explain Motivation?

Self-determination theory focuses on internal sources of motivation including the need for personal growth and fulfillment. Learn how this process works.

3:43 PM

Of course, you would have to disagree with Sam Harris on the illusion of free-will: https://youtu.be/_FanhvXO9Pk

Steven Mark Ryan

Sam Harris - Free Will

3:46 PM

So if you get over that philosophical hump, which I believe to be more true than the "free-will" hypothesis, only then can we imagine reward dynamics and mechanics and aesthetics to move people through an engagement loop that's meaningful to them, keeping in mind that we are the ones who create meaning (it's not something we search and find, like many people believe)

Fair enough! Still kindly requesting the channel :) (I am ok if it's not happening.)

It's also easy to mess up the social engagement loop and create over-competitive dynamics: https://youtu.be/F4YP-hGZTuA

GameDaily Connect

Creating Compelling Experiences | Amy Jo KIM

3:52 PM

@Holger yes, a channel on game design, in general, would be helpful, PBLs are a small technique (edited)

Pardon my ignorance, what's BLT?

Badges, leaderboards, Points*

3:59 PM

Sorry, autocomplete (edited)

4:00 PM

PBLs = points, badges, leaderboards*

Oh snap are we talking about gamification!? Yeessss!!! I plan on tackling that heavily at some point.

pcuci

Can the gamification (1 GG, 2 GG,...) be turned off? I find the extra noise annoying Or, can we design our own activity loops? So far the arbitrary "levels" in Discord seem meaningless The emoticons reactions dynamic to posted messages seems more helpful to identify insightful contributions over our many channels A level based on 10 ❤️s reached, or whatever, would make more sense (we probably want to "reward" quality of collaboration between participants, more than any one contributor blabbing on their own?) (edited)

I'm in support of discussing and deciding our own "activity loops," such as contributing to the wiki, uploading files, and building or contributing OSE designs, and turning off the 1 GG carlbot. It is a brief dopamine hit, but long term I think not a sustainable way of incentivizing substantial contributions.

I think it is somewhat possible that, say the GVCS was completed. Everyone who had a hand in it could be "divvied up" at least in a quantity-based way somewhat, abstract or lesser-apparent contributions will be tougher. As for "quality", this could be a separate decision.. maybe direct-democratic, or Marcin could decide what weights and balances are at play. Heck, if this is formatted in a nice data structure, multiple "viewpoints" (think, gamification evaluation systems) could analyze the same data in different qualities. So in the end, I think you really could come up with an upgraded "credits roll" of the whole project, with these gamification points being decent indicators of who helped the most and the most quality help. If it can be done in the end, I think - more difficultly - it could be done on-the-fly. Probably works better with experience and past data sets :3 so maybe a "per-machine-index" project basis, or even a "per-major-feature/milestone of a machine" basis.

Paul Pham

I'm in support of discussing and deciding our own "activity loops," such as contributing to the wiki, uploading files, and building or contributing OSE designs, and turning off the 1 GG carlbot. It is a brief dopamine hit, but long term I think not a sustainable way of incentivizing substantial contributions.

I think it can be incentivized - but for some reason every business and such doing it is doing horribly ahah. For example, if the OSE game(s) exists, and was multiplayer, these points/badges/whatever could actually unlock things within the game itself. Although "pay-to-play" is iffy, that's because money is transferable and doesn't mean much - however, keep these "points" non transferable, and they remain just as an indicator of your contribution level. Absolutely give them game-changing abilities, features, access, and permissions... not just cosmetics or color changes. I know I'm going to do it in my gamedev club at least xD

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For me the points will be tied to a sort of technocratic cause, or at the minimum, some combo of "programming skill progress" and "usable contributions to the club/public"(such as by releasing content CC0 instead of closed-source/proprietary, etc). Helping others might factor in too - honestly I may have multiple "categories" of points, so experiments or unbalancing in one doesn't affect the others.

Nohbdy Ahtall

I think it can be incentivized - but for some reason every business and such doing it is doing horribly ahah. For example, if the OSE game(s) exists, and was multiplayer, these points/badges/whatever could actually unlock things within the game itself. Although "pay-to-play" is iffy, that's because money is transferable and doesn't mean much - however, keep these "points" non transferable, and they remain just as an indicator of your contribution level. Absolutely give them game-changing abilities, features, access, and permissions... not just cosmetics or color changes. I know I'm going to do it in my gamedev club at least xD

I don’t have a lot of sensitivity to video game mechanics or aesthetics, so I’ll leave that to others. However, I do have interest in real world manifestations of incentivized work, and would be excited about distributing wealth around the GVCS and aligning it with the market. So even examples you find where it’s being done badly would be helpful to us here, I think

The being badly done is simply: Giving people badges and points and not being able to do anything with them other than show them off. Any form of interactivity helps greatly.

9:40 PM

For me, actions that occur in a game world are almost more secure in proving actions from the user, which can then reward that person in reality, so I consider happenings in the virtual realm to be a safer form of proving work/quality/etc. The whole world can be recorded, replayed, numerous data points tracked and such. So, reality <-> virtual <-> reality is great I'd say. Like, if someone assembled a PowerCube in virtual space, as long as the simulation was well-built, you have way more ways to see that the individual built it "correctly" than in reality, even with cameras. Without anything but word-of-mouth for "Yes, that person did the thing"... it just leads to bias, corruption, favoritism, etc... better to avoid points or badges at all if there is no automation-like element to it.

--- Another example is, say in my club, I want one of our eSports teams to increase a specific skill. As they prove their skills virtually, it is reviewed and points are given. For what can be done with those points:

[Gaming Session of Choice] Members who indicate availabilty/commitment to this, points can be used to coordinate a multiplayer gaming session of choice. I.e., even though most people don't play Halo 2(and therefore not enough players to play a full team), but theirs is an agreement to come together for this(so they can ask the same down the line).

-- Further, let's say they're good at the game and want everyone to play competitively, or they suck at the game and want players to chill out and not fight so hard - their preference can be integrated, and the other players will themselves be gamified into following those preferences(at risk of getting less points, lower priority/options next time, or removal from later sessions/no-session-requests). Honestly, this example alone can be modified in numerous ways. Programming session of choice. Outdoor activity session of choice. Brainstorming, DIY project, etc etc. Giving away free stuff or tasty food/drinks might be possible, but then we dip into the realm of monetary value and you need a very solid system(and maybe legal oversight) in that case. Unlocking club-made software, servers, game rooms, and virtual goods though that don't touch monetary value.. that's safe.

A role for having built and/or run various machines. ie you could have an @hasD3D / @D3D role, and then ping all those people if discussing something related to them (dedicated channels fill this role too, but may be neat, could also be used for sending out surveys in a semi-automated way)

Eric Lotze

A role for having built and/or run various machines. ie you could have an @hasD3D / @D3D role, and then ping all those people if discussing something related to them (dedicated channels fill this role too, but may be neat, could also be used for sending out surveys in a semi-automated way)

I like it, I think roles can have colored badges in discord as well. Like flair on phpBB or similar ancient messaging boards

@learner-long-life has reached level 5. GG!

I wish I could look at every item posted here like external media(video, link, concept, etc) and see it in something like a grid/table, with scores next to it, including how liked it is, how plausible, how expensive, sci-fi-future-thinking vs. someday-soon vs. ready-to-go-now.... I don't know how to go about it - heck I'm still figuring this out for myself on my own ideas. Alas, I always have the urge to someday look through every posted item on here. What to doo..

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Just wondering, would it make sense to have an extra channel for Summer X 2021, or is this covered by #summer-x-2021 ? https://www.opensourceecology.org/summer-x-2021/

Marcin

Summer of Extreme Design-Build | Open Source Ecology

September 1 – November 30, 2021 Factor e Farm, Kansas City, USA 90 days of immersion hands-on builds where you collaborate with a team to build things that will blow you away. Here’s a chance to play with a lifesize Lego set, as we work to deliver the promise of open source hardware to real …

I for one like to combine with summer x in #summer-x-2021 we’re all in this together

I may be one of the ‘unskilled weirdos’ referred to on another page, so if my requests slow down the pace or muddy the mission of this Discord I am ok with being refused. That said, while visiting HabLab I heard a lot of conversation about cryptocurrency. Other interesting discussion topics I overheard there have their own channels, but crypto doesn’t seem to.

11:13 PM

Another one is ‘HabLab Household’ which I don’t have much stake in creating now that I’m home. In reviewing my experience at FactorE, though, I found that using Telegram for household stuff became quite muddied with ‘hey look at this cool tech/product I just found’ (a phenomenon to which I contributed, too). I propose using a discord channel for that instead, one, to keep groceries, meal prep and household tasks in one place and cool links in another. Two, I disliked that telegram doesn’t have reaction buttons. I wanted to be able to acknowledge/support the sentiment of a post without a separate reply which lengthens the thread.

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11:15 PM

[She says, as she considerably lengthens this thread]

Can't speak to the hablab stuff. Having a crypto channel comes with a fair share of security risk, if someone really wanted to run a phishing attack they could in any channel, but I think right now crypto comes with a fair bit of security risk and there are too few opensource projects to justify it's own channel. I would prefer not to open a crypto channel but perhaps another admin will do so. The US government is also looking to increase restrictions on crypto, so the greatest historical transfer of wealth just took a few steps back.

NatB

I may be one of the ‘unskilled weirdos’ referred to on another page, so if my requests slow down the pace or muddy the mission of this Discord I am ok with being refused. That said, while visiting HabLab I heard a lot of conversation about cryptocurrency. Other interesting discussion topics I overheard there have their own channels, but crypto doesn’t seem to.

Sounds like this server might not be the best place, but I’m part of another Discord where we welcome crypto questions and discussions. If you and other curious folks would like to know more, please DM me

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OwnerOfOwn

Can't speak to the hablab stuff. Having a crypto channel comes with a fair share of security risk, if someone really wanted to run a phishing attack they could in any channel, but I think right now crypto comes with a fair bit of security risk and there are too few opensource projects to justify it's own channel. I would prefer not to open a crypto channel but perhaps another admin will do so. The US government is also looking to increase restrictions on crypto, so the greatest historical transfer of wealth just took a few steps back.

It’s fair that a public channel with “crypto” in the name might draw some hucksters, charlatans, and snake oil salespersons, but shrinking from that conflict instead of embracing it will create a smaller, less free society. The US government voting on crypto restrictions is a short sighted , ill thought out attempt to hoist a big share of stimulus spending onto a community that is largely anarchist, not traditionally organized and politically savvy, and perceived as having a lot of speculative funds that can be seized.

@learner-long-life , Whilst at it, became funds stored in crypto-currencies actually safe? I heard a few times that big amounts got stolen by hackers and for the investor, there are zero guarantees, usually also backed up by the state. That's at least what I understood from a friend, being decades in the stock exchange, he also tried to invest in there but gave up upon all wishy-washy crap about

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@learner-long-life , Whilst at it, became funds stored in crypto-currencies actually safe? I heard a few times that big amounts got stolen by hackers and for the investor, there are zero guarantees, usually also backed up by the state. That's at least what I understood from a friend, being decades in the stock exchange, he also tried to invest in there but gave up upon all wishy-washy crap about

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It's pretty impossible (from my knowledge) for an hacker to stole between 2 wallet during a transfer. The only you can get your crypto stolen is if someone stole your credentials. Like any bank account (edited)

5:06 PM

transaction are verified my multiple miners.

5:11 PM

And obviously your crypto will always fluctuate. So I wouln't recommend to put all your eggs in the same basket

@Whurauk - yeah, that's what I meant, by stolen - modern bank robbery

So between a online bank and crypto wallet.. in my opinion i find it safer on a cryptowallet. Bank keep your data in their data base so.. much easier to get stolen

5:35 PM

and it's almost impossible to identify someone wallet so it's hard to target someone in particular

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@learner-long-life , Whilst at it, became funds stored in crypto-currencies actually safe? I heard a few times that big amounts got stolen by hackers and for the investor, there are zero guarantees, usually also backed up by the state. That's at least what I understood from a friend, being decades in the stock exchange, he also tried to invest in there but gave up upon all wishy-washy crap about

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Agreed, funds in crypto-currencies are as safe as you keep the private key, which is like your password. Anyone who possesses this, usually written as a 12-word seed phrase, can spend funds from the wallet and effectively owns that account. It's true that a bank is regulated by the government and can help you restore access to an account if you forget your password, but they can also sell information about you to advertisers or release it to centralized agents, charge you arbitrary fees, and can be hacked themselves. Like @Whurauk says, they've actually bundled together many customers' private data together, making it a more sensitive to mishandling and a more valuable target than if you were a private citizen with a paper wallet.

learner-long-life

Agreed, funds in crypto-currencies are as safe as you keep the private key, which is like your password. Anyone who possesses this, usually written as a 12-word seed phrase, can spend funds from the wallet and effectively owns that account. It's true that a bank is regulated by the government and can help you restore access to an account if you forget your password, but they can also sell information about you to advertisers or release it to centralized agents, charge you arbitrary fees, and can be hacked themselves. Like @Whurauk says, they've actually bundled together many customers' private data together, making it a more sensitive to mishandling and a more valuable target than if you were a private citizen with a paper wallet.

You just have to keep your key, seed phrase, adress safe and not losing it. Because if you lose, it will be gone forever. No ''forget password'' option ahah. (unless it's an online crypto wallet like coinbase, which is another subject) (edited)

@Whurauk has reached level 2. GG!

If your bank is hacked, your bank is still liable for every dollar in your account, up to 1.25 million in most cases, 250k in others. If you happen to access your wallet on a device that isn't secure, you're kissing it goodbye. Glad to see we have some members that consider the security of crypto, and who are well versed in securely holding their personal crypto. For the vast majority of people, the learning curve associated with computer security, for the purpose of using crypto securely is too much of a learning curve. My friends are still falling for phishing attacks, still opening games on facebook, still getting "hacked". But don't learn from their mistakes because they are not internet savvy. We're here for opensource ecology, and can use any number of channels to discuss crypto for now. Until there are definitive guides on personal security, I don't think it'll do more good than harm.

10:06 PM

^ this applies to crypto currency more than any other technology of the past

10:07 PM

the level of understanding necessary for personal security is far too high, compared fiat-banks

10:07 PM

>hyperinflation

10:07 PM

shhhh

OwnerOfOwn

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I love this! So does it mean we can still talk about crypto but not having an official channel on it to fool any potential phishing? (Mate.. I received so much message saying I won a bitcoin or an eth I understand the why.) (edited)

Of course, not going to censor good expositionary dialogue on crypto, as its inevitable, just don't like the idea of having a chicken coupe open to the wolves. (edited)

10:11 PM

This is coming from the guy who lost 350~ BTC on a hardware wallet when I dropped my laptop in 2011 Back when a laptop CPU with integrated graphics still had good hash rates (edited)

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10:12 PM

Would hate for someone who doesnt take their personal security seriously/who thinks a hdd is a good place for a hardware wallet, to go through the anguish of losing a portion of their livelyhood (edited)

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Man.... I'm sorry for you.. You must have been pissed at the time and probably when it went to the moon....

SSD with holcruxes like voldemort, memorize your passphrases with a jingle

Whurauk

Man.... I'm sorry for you.. You must have been pissed at the time and probably when it went to the moon....

Always fun to play with those emotions, crypto is the most unforgiving of our assets ❤

10:13 PM

The transfer of wealth is indeniable though

OwnerOfOwn

Always fun to play with those emotions, crypto is the most unforgiving of our assets ❤

Really.. I don't trust myself so personnaly I use Coinbase

OwnerOfOwn

The transfer of wealth is indeniable though

Not the first time I see this.. what do you mean by this?

10:16 PM

or perhasp links (edited)

Well, as more people adopt currencies that are deflationary in nature (most well built cryptos) say okay theres only a billion transactional tokens on a ledger, as some get lost to hacks/mismanagement, those will increase in value. As the government in the US/other fiat nations, continues to print money, we'll see fiat currencies continue to devalue themselves (inflationary) so I think it's wise to keep some of your net worth in crypto, as a hedge against fiat inflation. It's inevitable that fiat currencies are devalued while a select number of cryptocurrencies increase in value. "The largest transfer of wealth in written history" will occur, sometime, over the next 100 years. Could happen with cryptos that aren't even around yet, but more than likely, will happen in a much shorter time-frame with currencies we already know and love

10:20 PM

I mean if you put 10,000USD into BTC/ETH/XYZ123 10 years ago, you would already be a benefactor of this effect (edited)

OwnerOfOwn

Well, as more people adopt currencies that are deflationary in nature (most well built cryptos) say okay theres only a billion transactional tokens on a ledger, as some get lost to hacks/mismanagement, those will increase in value. As the government in the US/other fiat nations, continues to print money, we'll see fiat currencies continue to devalue themselves (inflationary) so I think it's wise to keep some of your net worth in crypto, as a hedge against fiat inflation. It's inevitable that fiat currencies are devalued while a select number of cryptocurrencies increase in value. "The largest transfer of wealth in written history" will occur, sometime, over the next 100 years. Could happen with cryptos that aren't even around yet, but more than likely, will happen in a much shorter time-frame with currencies we already know and love

I see thanks I already know all this but I didn't know people were calling it this way. I'm french canadian so maybe I just never heard of the name in english

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Whurauk

Really.. I don't trust myself so personnaly I use Coinbase

Why would you trust a large for-profit centralized exchange, which doesn't give you access to your own private key, can arbitrarily shut down your account if they think your usage pattern is too fraudulent, captures your trading information to preferentially front-run their own orders, and profits whenever there is a speculative frenzy?

learner-long-life

Why would you trust a large for-profit centralized exchange, which doesn't give you access to your own private key, can arbitrarily shut down your account if they think your usage pattern is too fraudulent, captures your trading information to preferentially front-run their own orders, and profits whenever there is a speculative frenzy?

perceived risk/threat

Again though, this may not be of general interest to OSE. I'm happy to move this to group DM or elsewhere, as it's not really about server suggestions anymore.

Seen that way...

I'd prefer everyone take their personal security extremely seriously and have several hardware wallets, but it's too much to ask millions of people to do that.

10:23 PM

and server suggestions will pick back up once this conversation ends

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10:23 PM

once again, beauty of discord is it sticks around and is linear throughout time.

It's just the fact I hate having a bilion app for different coins.. I have a lot of different coins (you know just in case)

10:24 PM

If you have any suggestion on great software for this problem I'm all ear

I think OSE could definitly benefit from discussions about crypto and/or social currencies. An older friend of mine created 'fair-coin', this works already on local levels here in Spain.

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I think OSE could definitly benefit from discussions about crypto and/or social currencies. An older friend of mine created 'fair-coin', this works already on local levels here in Spain.

Agreed. The best is education not prohibition.

@Whurauk has reached level 3. GG!

My suggestion is not to hold a billion different coins

Do research on each one, calculate its intrinsic value based on cashflow that it generates, such as a liquidity pool on a decentralized exchange. If it's trading much less than that price, you can invest and track its earnings over time. If it's close to its correct price, or is too hard to calculate its price, it is as good as gambling. You can do this with stocks or any tradeable security, it is not specific to crypto.

I'm sure admin can setup role so only people with a specific role can see the crypto channel.

learner-long-life

My suggestion is not to hold a billion different coins

Do research on each one, calculate its intrinsic value based on cashflow that it generates, such as a liquidity pool on a decentralized exchange. If it's trading much less than that price, you can invest and track its earnings over time. If it's close to its correct price, or is too hard to calculate its price, it is as good as gambling. You can do this with stocks or any tradeable security, it is not specific to crypto.

Obviously I do reseach on the big assets I have. But when I say i have a lot of coins.. I have like 10 bucks of each coin.. Just in case it pop (edited)

yeah I think there is a case to be made for having a cold wallet with multiple backups, then having a tiny investment in a somewhat trusted exchange, just to take advantage of any "pops"

OwnerOfOwn

I'd prefer everyone take their personal security extremely seriously and have several hardware wallets, but it's too much to ask millions of people to do that.

I'm more likely to lose a hardware wallet, and hardware designs are often "secure by obscurity" like Intel's SGX. I don't think there's one recommendation that is going to be safe / digestible / practicable by 90% of all people, although it's a worthy goal to try

OwnerOfOwn

yeah I think there is a case to be made for having a cold wallet with multiple backups, then having a tiny investment in a somewhat trusted exchange, just to take advantage of any "pops"

Yeah... I think I will do this instead...

10:30 PM

Thanks for the head up @learner-long-life about having only a Coinbase wallet

learner-long-life

I'm more likely to lose a hardware wallet, and hardware designs are often "secure by obscurity" like Intel's SGX. I don't think there's one recommendation that is going to be safe / digestible / practicable by 90% of all people, although it's a worthy goal to try

I may be taking liberties with hardware wallets/cold wallets and using them synonymously/interchangeably. I do welcome the criticism on "security through obscurity" seems a lot of it is that nowadays. But with a plethora of zero-days built into any of these obscure systems.

10:35 PM

I must make it clear that I only hold assets in banks and brokers, that have insurance policies of 1.25 million each should something happen to my funds, of course I'm well well below those limits, but just haven't taken advantage of crypto to it's full capacity. I do enjoy discussing with my friends their buys and their security measures. A few friends have several backups on flashdrives/cold wallet addresses that they have locked down pretty well, I just can't be bothered to approach that learning curve myself, and I consider myself pretty technically savvy. So I can't imagine the complete novice attempting to approach these hurdles on their own. Of course, if you've been following crypto for years, you know your way around and can sleep at night knowing you've given it your best shot at securely holding your assets

I love your point of view mate even if you don't have as much experience as someone else. With your mindset I wouldn't be scared to jump into this learning curve if I were you.

10:39 PM

Something early as well, that will make transfer of wealth, is NFTs... You just have to find a good project.

10:41 PM

But as you said. Nobody should touch a NFT if they don't understand it.

I do want everyone to feel welcome in providing open dialogue in the server, off topic is a great place for these discussions should they come up in the future. Saw a beautiful interaction on twitter that was something along the lines of "has this company tried xyz" he was met with a long chain of replies of "that's a silly idea I'm sure company would have thought of that" the original poster responded "this attitude should not exist, if they had thought of everything they wouldn't have job listings open in search of more talent" So please, feel free to open whatever line of dialogue, or monologue you wish. When it becomes an obvious security risk/is clearly malicious that's why Eric is here and the rest of crew.

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Also just to finish here. If anybody have doubt about being scammed (about crypto) feel free to dm. I'm not perfect but I have a pretty good judgment when it come to scam.

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Likewise, I think a public discussion forum to help people avoid scams is valuable. No one person knows everything, and everyone should definitely make up their own mind, while feeling encouraged to ask questions and foster good conversation.

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I got a hardware Trezor wallet that I didn't setup yet. Anyone cold storing their keys and feels comfortable with their setup? At what point does bearer risk start changing your security protocol? (edited)

OwnerOfOwn

I may be taking liberties with hardware wallets/cold wallets and using them synonymously/interchangeably. I do welcome the criticism on "security through obscurity" seems a lot of it is that nowadays. But with a plethora of zero-days built into any of these obscure systems.

I’m partially playing devils advocate

insurance is definitely valuable, and before FDIC in the US, many banks were scams, so user protections have a great benefit, if they don’t compromise privacy, IMO. As a thought exercise: if someone sees a hardware USB key on your physical keychain, or 12 words printed on a slip of paper in your wallet, is that more or less safe than a web wallet or using a password manager? Depends on many factors.

learner-long-life

I’m partially playing devils advocate

insurance is definitely valuable, and before FDIC in the US, many banks were scams, so user protections have a great benefit, if they don’t compromise privacy, IMO. As a thought exercise: if someone sees a hardware USB key on your physical keychain, or 12 words printed on a slip of paper in your wallet, is that more or less safe than a web wallet or using a password manager? Depends on many factors.

"many factors"

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12:41 AM

lets move to #off-topic as asked btw :P

Great convo; I am learning a lot. See you in #off-topic

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"Open Repair Wiki" 's Discord has a "Wiki Log" bot operated channel, that essentially does the same thing as OSE Wiki's "Recently Changed" Page, but in-discord; it's pretty neat. I need to ask them how they got that set up and maybe get it working here?

That would be very handy and would provide extra visibility to the wiki activity.

I may need to make a non-readers digest channel just for stuff that needes backed up on wiki? That and/or an Annotation Bot and/or an “Is it on OSE Wiki (or Wikipedia) yet?”